tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post8428945302944724751..comments2023-09-26T00:42:29.508-07:00Comments on Caritas in Veritate: The Monarchy becomes "inclusive" - should we be glad?Father John Boylehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10581732723849634398noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post-91388324653019403922011-11-05T04:00:14.646-07:002011-11-05T04:00:14.646-07:00Just give the monarch the right to choose to be a ...Just give the monarch the right to choose to be a Catholic. The C of E has managed with a Catholc, a Lutheran, and a Dutch Reformed King as head of the church. As we know it is infinitely flexible on these matters!Hurrell.Froudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11571529967915799775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post-44571377056876033582011-11-05T03:56:28.900-07:002011-11-05T03:56:28.900-07:00The real issue for Catholics, who recognise the hu...The real issue for Catholics, who recognise the huge value of the monarchy and the example of a Queen who takes her religion seriously, is why we can't go the whole way and let the Monarch choose. While there is no likelihood of a conversion of the heir to the throne, we should give our sovereign freedom to choose. After all the C of E has managed to deal with a 'head of the church' who was a Catholic, a Dutch Reformed, and a Lutheran. Frederick OakeleyHurrell.Froudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11571529967915799775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post-8200852956639401192011-11-03T10:06:12.087-07:002011-11-03T10:06:12.087-07:00How did the Monarchy manage to be head of the Chur...How did the Monarchy manage to be head of the Church of England? The whole thing was founded on a farce introduced by Henry VIII, that the Kings of Israel were the `anointed` of God and therefore ruler of the Church. It ignored the priests of the time such as Samuel, who very much were not subject to the King in religious matters but chose the Kings and taught them. Henry`s actions gave rise to the `Divine Right of Kings` and the bloody Civil War. The State is ruled by Caesar, but the Church is ruled by GodJohn Kearneyhttp://www.catholicrights.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post-87402783700203215442011-11-01T11:52:19.903-07:002011-11-01T11:52:19.903-07:00Joseph K @ Defend Us In Battle said...
Just a que...Joseph K @ Defend Us In Battle said... <br /><i>Just a query, but why is it that it seems as if the English are inching ever more towards a more authentic Catholicism, while America seems to be drifting away... ?</i><br /><br />Actually, what the English seem to be inching ever more towards is no religion at all. Which is probably why the bishops of England and Wales are taking steps to try to recapture a Catholic identity.Anita Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11305092097247290243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post-63840093601981382432011-11-01T08:09:32.800-07:002011-11-01T08:09:32.800-07:00There is a precedent: the protestant heir of the d...There is a precedent: the protestant heir of the dutch throne was authorized to marry a Catholic. The Catholic Church gave her a dispenses so as to marry a protestant AND PERMIT HER CHILDREN TO BE RAISED IN THE REFORMED RELIGION. If the royal children were to be Catholic, the dutch parliament wouldn't have given its consent to the marriage.henrinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post-69478750929655274942011-11-01T07:50:56.981-07:002011-11-01T07:50:56.981-07:00”Either England (and the other nations over which ...<i>”Either England (and the other nations over which the monarch has sovereign authority) must become Catholic again…”</i><br /><br />Yes! As the Italians say Father: “From your mouth to God’s ear!”GORhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14313101159848740722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post-20826730047737907492011-11-01T02:20:45.674-07:002011-11-01T02:20:45.674-07:00Just a query, but why is it that it seems as if th...Just a query, but why is it that it seems as if the English are inching ever more towards a more authentic Catholicism, while America seems to be drifting away... ?Joe @ Defend Us In Battlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15230524215323916396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post-2865214955200382802011-10-31T20:28:17.312-07:002011-10-31T20:28:17.312-07:00I just don't see how this works without disest...I just don't see how this works without disestablishing the CofE as the established church. I don't think Catholics marrying protestants should be free from not baptizing the children Catholic 2) what Catholic would *want* to be head of the CofE? 3) the problem you mentioned re; the monarch being required to sign all law, and what if the law is immoral and 4) even if the head of the CofE becomes archbishop of Cant.,; what about the coronation ceremonies themselves? Those would have to change too. Cosmetic changes that would do more harm than good. Only thing were it wouldn't 'affect' something is say, for instance, a monarch's spouse were to die, and he/she already has protestant heirs...then on the 2nd marriage it's to a Catholic, who is well past the age of childbearing....<br />--Karen gemoftheoceangemoftheoceanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05521207668262592414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post-14076625406953308912011-10-30T12:29:58.557-07:002011-10-30T12:29:58.557-07:00Cast Iron Cameron has now destroyed the monarchy, ...Cast Iron Cameron has now destroyed the monarchy, which of itself is anti equality.<br />SteveAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post-33418628310919745002011-10-29T09:26:50.230-07:002011-10-29T09:26:50.230-07:00Father, Lead me not into temptation!Father, Lead me not into temptation!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post-78387424412488773492011-10-29T09:21:57.224-07:002011-10-29T09:21:57.224-07:00Do, Father, write!
I am no constitutional expert ...Do, Father, write!<br /><br />I am no constitutional expert but isn't the monarchy founded on the establishment of the CofE? If the monarch can be Catholic, there ends the CofE (which may or may not be a bad thing), and what then is the role of the monarchy? If a Catholic King/Queen will refuse to sign immoral Acts of Parliament, there will be a constitutional crisis. If the requirement for him/her to sign is removed, then he/she is literally a figurehead with no sovereign power. Either England (and the other nations over which the monarch has sovereign authority) must become Catholic again or the monarchy will disappear. At least now it is relevant. Tinkering (which is all this is) is going to make it irrelevant.Father John Boylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10581732723849634398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post-84408025751565025032011-10-29T08:50:37.675-07:002011-10-29T08:50:37.675-07:00"At the same time I fully recognise the impor..."At the same time I fully recognise the importance of the position of the established church [the Church of England] in protecting and fostering the role of faith in our society today,"<br /><br />What importance? The C of E abdicated any credible position on Christianity years ago. Only someone as ignorant as Archbishop Nichols would fail to recognise that. But then, His Grace constantly fails to recognise the position and responsibility of the Catholic Church in this nation. Mr. Salmond got it right! If I were not taking time out from blogging, though not from commenting, I would have posted a devastating article on Archbishop Nichols!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post-65052369329501002472011-10-29T03:23:24.834-07:002011-10-29T03:23:24.834-07:00It strikes me as an exercise in political 'box...It strikes me as an exercise in political 'box ticking' for as you point out there would still be major issues regarding the children of the marriage and the prospective role of an heir as Supreme Governor of the Church of England.<br /><br />On the other hand what about the case of HRH Princess Michael? Her marriage, and agreement that her children would be Anglican, was eventually regularised by Rome. Could that be a precedent?Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post-2619474024115423172011-10-29T02:23:38.805-07:002011-10-29T02:23:38.805-07:00This is a complete irrelevance. Archbishop Nichols...This is a complete irrelevance. Archbishop Nichols does not speak for this Catholic in this matter. Mr Cameron appears to be casting around for legislative matters - consider also "gay marriage" and changing the clocks - in order to distract attention from his inability to sort out the serious economic problems which are the concern of all citizens.Patriciushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08906131174326742939noreply@blogger.com