tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post6877202387107793712..comments2023-09-26T00:42:29.508-07:00Comments on Caritas in Veritate: Bishop Sample shares his Vision and Program for the New EvangelisationFather John Boylehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10581732723849634398noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post-90621534255663898352011-10-24T18:10:32.078-07:002011-10-24T18:10:32.078-07:00Mr Dunn. I am not publishing your latest comment. ...Mr Dunn. I am not publishing your latest comment. If you are at all interested as to why, do get in touch. (jboyle1502 at gmail dot com).Father John Boylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10581732723849634398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post-84724288972531666932011-10-20T03:11:23.534-07:002011-10-20T03:11:23.534-07:00Oh Matthew - how sad that you are so concerned wi...Oh Matthew - how sad that you are so concerned with the external trappings of liturgy - no mention in your rant of the teachings of Jesus, the Gospel, or prayer - all about candles and vestments.............. <br />Remember the old saying 'softly softly catchy monkey' - the things you mention ARE important but can't be achieved through mere legislation - if that be the case then the next Bishop has the right to legislate in the opposite direction - remember - you can catch more flies with a teaspoon of honey than with a gallon of vinegar. It would have been very easy for our beloved Holy Father to have legislated on such matters, but if he sees fit to adopt 'change slowly and by example' then we maybe should do likewise. Don't confuse the substance with the external trappings - is the material used for the construction of the Bishop's chair a barrier to his leading his flock to God! Adopt a mature and Christian attitude - do you think, from the evidence we have in the Gospel, that Jesus would be so negative?Andrew Lyonshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09507554611700794108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post-31075826305841331242011-10-18T18:03:56.970-07:002011-10-18T18:03:56.970-07:00Mr Dunn
I am saddened by your negative attitude t...Mr Dunn<br /><br />I am saddened by your negative attitude to such a good bishop. I can't possibly respond here to all the negative remarks you have made. So, you may have the last word on this.<br /><br />Yours in Christ.Father John Boylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10581732723849634398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post-49570705333070848142011-10-18T16:18:00.249-07:002011-10-18T16:18:00.249-07:00Thank you, Father, for your comments.
My doubts a...Thank you, Father, for your comments.<br /><br />My doubts are based precisely on the kind of response that you gave above.<br /><br />Brick by brick? Bishop Sample was consecrated for Marquette in 2006! Please, name one thing since then that His Excellency has mandated for his diocese that would qualify as enriching the “new liturgy” with the “old.” (And, I don’t mean bringing the hammer down on Permanent Deacons preaching at Mass.)<br /><br />Bp. Sample says he’s listening, he says he’s following His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI. Well, how about listening to and following Vatican II? Sacrosanctum Concilium (#54) clearly states the faithful should know the Latin responses. There is not one Mass of Pope Paul VI in Latin on the schedule at St. Peter’s Cathedral. There is a Tridentine Mass scheduled . . . at 3 P.M. . . . in a chapel. Wow, what enrichment!<br /><br />Ah, that old wriggle word, “catechesis.” Fr. Boyle, when you use one of the optional greetings at the beginning of Mass . . . or, use the sprinkling rite in lieu of the Penitential Rite . . . or, wear an amice . . . or, use Eucharistic Prayer IV instead of (whichever one) . . . do you feel the need to catechize the congregation before choosing such options? I doubt that you do. It’s like asking the congregation’s permission for you, the priest, to say Mass according to its legitimate options. Then, why would you need to catechize them regarding your choice of the perfectly legitimate option to celebrate ad orientem.<br /><br />By the way, I make no mention of the fact that a whole group of priests with their bishop should need NO CATECHESIS regarding the ad orientem celebration of Holy Eucharist. So, why isn’t Bp. Sample doing it?<br /><br />Because they’re words . . . and, words are easy to say. They make one sound orthodox and reverential and traditional.<br /><br />But, look at your last revelation about the traditional practice of having 6 candles on the altar: It’s “being looked into at the Cathedral.” And, YOU ask ME why I have my doubts about His Excellency?!mwidunnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05865753469746747533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post-52082193294227528042011-10-12T17:10:06.406-07:002011-10-12T17:10:06.406-07:00Matthew: As another famous blogger says, brick by ...Matthew: As another famous blogger says, brick by brick. Your doubts are probably based on your experiences elsewhere. I think we can have no doubt about the direction in which Bishop Sample is taking his diocese. Which doesn't mean you will see the goal of the program immediately. But there is a goal. (So, Mass in a hotel, things arranged with as much dignity as was possible, and celebrated with utter faithfulness, in accordance with the GIRM and clear signs of enrichment from the Bishop's celebration of the Extraordinary Form. As for Latin Mass - I assume you are referring to Nobus Ordo - ad orientem, I daresay the bishop would counsel the priest to ensure that proper catechesis is carried out. Prudence is a virtue. Most of us in parish situations know you can't do something so drastic without preparing the people first. I know how much preparation is needed for the new translation. To prepare them for a Latin Mass ad orientem would also need preparation.) Yes, 6 candles (or 7 when the bishop celebrates) is not uncommon in the diocese - it is how it is in my parish and is being looked into at the Cathedral - and all the other things you mentioned are, I am confident, part of the program.Father John Boylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10581732723849634398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post-72562639958591713032011-10-12T15:14:58.574-07:002011-10-12T15:14:58.574-07:00These are all very nice words, and I agree with th...These are all very nice words, and I agree with them . . . but, alas, just words. The proof is in the pictures (like, where is the tabernacle placed?).<br /><br />Also: Is that a comfy chair for the Bishop to sit in?! (Reminds me of the Monty Python sketch about the Spanish Inquisition.)<br /><br />Read the GIRM? Shouldn't that have been done whilst in the seminary? . . . but, I disgress. Okay, let's say a priest of the Diocese of Marquette reads the GIRM and, based on that reading, starts celebrating Mass in Latin ad orientem. Will good Bp. Sample support him?<br /><br />The Bishop wants to listen to Pope Benedict; the Bishop says he's following Pope Benedict. He says the Tridentine and the Post-conciliar forms of Mass should enrich eachother.<br /><br />How is that evident in the pictures above? What changes will he make in HIS OWN DIOCESE, amongst HIS OWN FLOCK, to restore Catholic liturgy to its former beauty, to "enrich" the New with the Old.<br /><br />Will he ask for ad orientem worship throughtout the diocese? With 6 candles on the altar? With a fully sung liturgy, including the Gospel? More Gregorian chant? Incense? Etc., etc.<br /><br />I'm doubtful.<br /><br />It's easy to talk about "reforming the reform" . . . but, it means eventually having the guts to do something about it as well.mwidunnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05865753469746747533noreply@blogger.com