tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post2327988670488301182..comments2023-09-26T00:42:29.508-07:00Comments on Caritas in Veritate: Methodist Ordination at Catholic Cathedral cancelled - Ecumenism has its limitsFather John Boylehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10581732723849634398noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post-45085700589777897692011-05-27T13:14:16.235-07:002011-05-27T13:14:16.235-07:00I'm sure the respective church leaders did muc...<i>I'm sure the respective church leaders did much to foster co-operation and joint Christian witness, all to be highly commended. But I do feel that holding liturgical rites of one community in a church of another sends a confusing signal. One thing is to hold an ecumenical service or joint prayer service, but actual liturgies should be very exceptional. And an ordination raises all sorts of questions concerning apostolic succession or lack of it and, of course, validity as far as the Catholic Church is concerned. The Catholic faithful could very understandably easily be confused. And the wider community too could be led to believe that, well, there isn't really any difference so why all the fuss about separated churches.</i><br /><br />You know, Father, another thing I can't help thinking about in re this business is all the English Catholics who <i>suffered martyrdom</i> over these issues that you raise. Yes, I believe they want to see us all reconciled; but surely not at the price of giving up all -- or any -- of what they suffered for.Anita Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11305092097247290243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post-75960099110647844032011-05-27T12:54:09.132-07:002011-05-27T12:54:09.132-07:00Sorry about the difficulty in posting a comment. I...Sorry about the difficulty in posting a comment. I have no idea what the problem was.<br /><br />I'm sure the respective church leaders did much to foster co-operation and joint Christian witness, all to be highly commended. But I do feel that holding liturgical rites of one community in a church of another sends a confusing signal. One thing is to hold an ecumenical service or joint prayer service, but actual liturgies should be very exceptional. And an ordination raises all sorts of questions concerning apostolic succession or lack of it and, of course, validity as far as the Catholic Church is concerned. The Catholic faithful could very understandably easily be confused. And the wider community too could be led to believe that, well, there isn't really any difference so why all the fuss about separated churches.<br /><br />Admitting the dividing lines will hopefully impel us all to work and pray all the more urgently for our ventual re-unification. <i>Ut omnes unum sint...</i>Father John Boylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10581732723849634398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post-52284108978516020282011-05-27T03:19:27.423-07:002011-05-27T03:19:27.423-07:00The reason that this service cannot take place in ...The reason that this service cannot take place in the Anglican Cathedral is that this is one of three concurrent ordination services for the Methodists and one of the others is already happening in the CofE Cathedral.<br /><br />I grew up in the diocese of Liverpool and was impressed by the work of the Bishop, Archbishop and Free church leaders to tackle the sectarianism and work together. This seems a great shame therefore.<br /><br />I was going to post this under my LJ account but your the blog said my credentials could not be verified but it had not given my a chance -- usually LJ appears to ask me to confirm and it did not.<br /><br />YrieithyddAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post-67914502511787044472011-05-26T08:28:24.491-07:002011-05-26T08:28:24.491-07:00LOL!
The only time I have attended Mass was when ...LOL!<br /><br />The only time I have attended Mass was when Pope John Paul visited. The cathedral did look good in that setting. The original plan was to have a very grand cathedral but they only got as far as building the crypt. Money was a problem so the building you see now was the result of the then archbishop John Heenan deciding that a cathedral needed to be built with whatever funds were available. It's now part of Liverpool's landscape.Father John Boylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10581732723849634398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post-37112424881520662552011-05-25T21:43:55.952-07:002011-05-25T21:43:55.952-07:00The Catholic cathedral looks like Gemini 7 in conc...The Catholic cathedral looks like <i>Gemini 7</i> in concrete on the outside, and the bridge of the <i>TARDIS</i> during a disco party on the inside. It does not resemble a Catholic cathedral. The Anglican cathedral looks like a Catholic cathedral. <br /><br />Maybe the best solution would be to work out a deal where the Catholics and the Anglicans exchange cathedrals, and then the Methodists can have all the ordinations they want inside <i>Gemini 7</i>.Anita Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11305092097247290243noreply@blogger.com