tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post8009932029498485151..comments2023-09-26T00:42:29.508-07:00Comments on Caritas in Veritate: American Woman "Deacon" renounces her "ordination" and professes the teachings of Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVIFather John Boylehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10581732723849634398noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post-4850385357799946592011-02-25T11:46:10.795-08:002011-02-25T11:46:10.795-08:00Great example of humility by Norma Coon. I hope I ...Great example of humility by Norma Coon. I hope I can emulate that when I get things wrong.RJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13871618901190898384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post-52430238704612136832011-02-24T21:51:43.178-08:002011-02-24T21:51:43.178-08:00Well it's actually my parlour you have entered...Well it's actually my parlour you have entered. The subject of this post concerns theology which can only be discussed with God, not man/woman, as the point of reference. You're welcome to set up your own parlour/blog and invite people to discuss things under your terms there.Father John Boylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10581732723849634398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post-48876666242248775322011-02-24T21:29:29.113-08:002011-02-24T21:29:29.113-08:00Unfortunately when the 'god controls everythin...Unfortunately when the 'god controls everything' argument comes out I forgo further discussion. If you want to discuss it in terms of what people do then I'm happy to do so.welcometomyparlournoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post-78671309458650740172011-02-24T18:59:20.551-08:002011-02-24T18:59:20.551-08:00Am glad you added your username!
It's not obe...Am glad you added your username!<br /><br />It's not obedience to males but to God.<br /><br />Equal in dignity but not in roles. A man cannot be a mother, a woman cannot be father, a man cannot be a wife, a woman cannot be a husband, a woman cannot be a priest who must sacramentally represent Christ the Bridegroom.<br /><br />None of us has a right to be a priest - it is the free choice of God, and by accepting the call to priesthood we priests renounce many rights that lay people have and take on huge responsibilities concerning the salvation of souls. People seem very quick to claim rights, but there is not so much talk about responsibility.<br /><br />It is not just women who must listen to men. Women in the past have exercised prophetic voices and they continue to do so today. Think of St Teresa of Avila, or St Catherine of Sienna and others. Together with over 1,000 priests I listened to profound teaching from Sister Briege McKenna at Ars in 2005. I listened and learned as she called us men to authentic priestly lives.<br /><br />No, it's not men who decide how the Church is run. It is the Holy Spirit Who guides the Church, admittedly through fallen human beings. Of course the decisions taken by those with pastoral responsibility over the Church affect us - whether we are men or women. But the pastors are not free to decide to change the divine institution of the Church by Jesus Christ.<br /><br />You are looking at the Church as a purely human institution forgetting that it is divine.Father John Boylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10581732723849634398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post-37339194030445442602011-02-24T13:52:17.201-08:002011-02-24T13:52:17.201-08:00I've decided to add my user name to these post...I've decided to add my user name to these posts.<br /><br />I have a problem with the word "obedience" when used in terms of supplication to males.<br /> <br />Of course there are differences between men and women, but to say something like women are equal but do not deserve to be in positions of equal standing to men is hypocritical. They should have equal rights as men, not just be told "yes, you're important too, now be good and listen to what the men are saying."<br /><br />As for power, of course it's dominion. The patriarchy of the church decides how the church is run. Their decisions directly influence how the followers of the church are treated and treat others. They set the standards and their decisions will, immediately and/or in the long run, have effects on other people.welcometomyparlournoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post-4458300975054548472011-02-24T12:51:10.263-08:002011-02-24T12:51:10.263-08:00Oh, and do you have a problem with the word "...Oh, and do you have a problem with the word "obedience"? All of us must obey, men too.Father John Boylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10581732723849634398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post-42695447616014899462011-02-24T12:49:55.948-08:002011-02-24T12:49:55.948-08:00Diatribe? It seemed very reasoned to me.
But ther...Diatribe? It seemed very reasoned to me.<br /><br />But there <i><b>is</b></i> male and female - Jesus himself confirms this. Male and female God created them, which is why a man leaves his father and mother and the two become one flesh. In the sacramental economy, two divided sexes become one in marriage, and this unity is expressed through the indissoluble bond of marriage and physically through their sexual union.<br /><br />Likewise there is still Christ the Bridegroom to be represented sacramentally through the male priesthood ministering to and becoming one with His Bride the Church through the Eucharist. Do away with the Sacraments if you wish but then you no longer have the Church of Jesus Christ.<br /><br />On the subject of power: this is a divine power excercised as service, not a power of dominion.<br /><br />Men are not better than women. They are different. But united in the Church in mutual love.Father John Boylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10581732723849634398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post-64181760438412109992011-02-24T12:39:39.342-08:002011-02-24T12:39:39.342-08:00Well done for hiding the word 'obedient' i...Well done for hiding the word 'obedient' in that sugared diatribe. You say different yet the roles for men in Catholicism are the ones of power. I know Jesus was a good man, but at the time of his life not stoning women to death for showing too much skin was considered quite liberal, so perhaps his 'good-ness' is a bit out of date for our society. Perhaps the church should put one of the bible's most powerful verses at the forefront of its thinking: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post-75984548455150459262011-02-24T06:50:36.288-08:002011-02-24T06:50:36.288-08:00Anonymous- Going back to the time of Jesus on eart...Anonymous- Going back to the time of Jesus on earth, Jesus chose 12 disciples, all of whom were men. Did you ever wonder that he didn't choose one women? Yet Jesus NEVER treated women as inferior. For example, he showed great love for both sexes. As a woman, I know Jesus loves me just as much as he loves men. I accept the fact that we are made differently, that we complement each other in different ways, yet we are both good. Women have a special role in the Church, we don't need to be priests. We have so much to offer in working for the Kingdom of God here on earth. Sometimes it is a lack of humility and a lack of being obedient that drives women to want the priesthood. Because the role of priesthood is reserved for men does not make women subservient or inferior in any way. I firmly believe that God intended it to be that way- just as he intended marriage to be between a man and a women; for women to share in His plan for motherhood, etc. <br />Also, I hear many stories of Catholics who have come back to the Faith or who have converted to Catholicism because we have not given in like many other denominations who have allowed female ordinations.<br />God Bless!Finolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14391423831728332925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post-61392302492890269082011-02-24T00:54:17.495-08:002011-02-24T00:54:17.495-08:00I am sick of people using culture and religion as ...I am sick of people using culture and religion as a cover for sexism. As far as I'm concerned this is no better than Moslim's forcing their women to cover up. Men are NOT superior to woman (this I say as a 24 year old man myself) and treating women as unworthy of certain positions, to the point where they feel the need to apologise for daring to want to be equal is disgusting. This is why Christianity is losing followers, because it is based on old fashioned paradigms that are just wrong in today's western societies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post-50707554647758236242011-02-23T23:42:40.847-08:002011-02-23T23:42:40.847-08:00Ach, you beat me to it. Was talking to a co-blogge...Ach, you beat me to it. Was talking to a co-blogger on Skype last night and we were reading this, me with the ole tears welling up in my eyes. I was to post it today, now I will feel silly! Dratters, should have done it last night ...<br /><br />Isn't it edifying? And cheering?berenikehttp://exlaodicea.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com