tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post5511065477109172395..comments2023-09-26T00:42:29.508-07:00Comments on Caritas in Veritate: SSPX shows more respect for the authority of Vatican II than most religious ordersFather John Boylehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10581732723849634398noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post-50406787151643845722012-04-15T08:56:24.043-07:002012-04-15T08:56:24.043-07:003.
John R. T. Lamont
"The doctrine on ecumen...3.<br />John R. T. Lamont<br /> "The doctrine on ecumenism, as it is expressed in no. 8 of 'Lumen gentium' and no. 3 of the Decree 'Unitatis redintegratio,' contradicts the teachings of Pope Pius IX in propositions 16 and 17 of the 'Syllabus,' those of Leo XIII in 'Satis cognitum,' and those of Pope Pius XI in 'Mortalium animos.'<br /><br /><br />Lionel: <br />Unitatis redintegratio n.3 like Lumen Gentium 8 refers to goodness and sanctification which can be founded among Christians. We accept that a Protestant or Orthodox Christian can be saved ‘in certain circumstances’(Letter of the Holy Office 1949) and it will be known only to God. The ordinary means of salvation is Catholic Faith and the baptism of water (AG 7).All Christians need Catholic Faith for salvation (to avoid Hell) (AG 7).So there is no contradiction between UR 3,LG 8 and ‘the dogma’, which Pope Pius XII called an an ‘infallible’statement.(Letter of the Holy Office 1949). The dogma on extra ecclesiam nulla salus, Cantate Domino, Council of Florence states Jews, heretics (Protestants) and schismatics (Orthodox Christians) need to convert into the Church to avoid the fires of Hell.<br /><br /><br />4.<br />John R. T. Lamont <br />"The doctrine on collegiality, as it is expressed in no. 22 of the Constitution 'Lumen gentium,' including no. 3 of the 'Nota praevia' [Explanatory Note], contradicts the teachings of the First Vatican Council on the uniqueness of the subject of supreme power in the Church, in the Constitution 'Pastor aeternus'."<br /><br /><br />Lionel:<br /> ‘All men are called to this union with Christ, who is the light of the world, from whom we go forth, through whom we live, and toward whom our whole life strains.’-Lumen Gentium 3. Yes, as Dominus Iesus 20 says Jesus died for all men and salvation is open to all, it is universal, however to receive it, all need to respond by entering the Church; the Church is necessary. The ordinary means of salvation is the Catholic Church.(AG 7, Redemptoris Missio 55 etc). So there is no contradiction between the First and Second Vatican Council II on this issue. Similarly collegiality as expressed in LG 22 does not conflict with the Church teaching that ‘submission to the Catholic Church and to the Sovereign Pontiff is required as necessary for salvation.’(Letter of the Holy Office 1949). <br />-Lionel Andrades <br /><br /> <br />1. <br />http://chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/articolo/1350219?eng=y <br /> <br />_______________________________________________ <br /> <br />Friday, April 13, 2012 <br />'Light of the World' p.107 expresses Pope Benedict’s personal opinion or is the ordinary magisterium: the pope wrongly assumes those saved in invincible ignorance are known exceptions to the dogma and the SSPX position on ecumenism and non Catholic religions <br />http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/04/light-of-world-p107-expresses-pope.html<br /><br /><br />Friday, April 13, 2012<br />So would the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith,Vatican excommunicate me when I say I reject the liberal interpretation of Vatican Council II but accept Vatican Council II according to Tradition and a continuation with the defined dogma ? I can accept the SSPX's position on other religions as being the teaching of Vatican Council II. <br />http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/04/so-would-congregation-for-doctrine-of.html<br /><br />Tuesday, April 10, 2012<br />HOLY FATHER ASSUMES THOSE SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE ARE KNOWN TO US: CONTRADICTS VATICAN COUNCIL I AND II <br />http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/04/holy-father-assumes-those-saved-in.html<br />http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/04/light-of-world-error-shows-that-there.htmlCatholic Missionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06025127342963192930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post-83726469531730278272012-04-15T03:06:20.497-07:002012-04-15T03:06:20.497-07:00other Catholic currents of the opposite nature con...other Catholic currents of the opposite nature continue to inhabit the Church undisturbed, in spite of the fact that they too reject essential teachings of the same Council<br /><br />This statement is wrong. These currents live out the message of the Council. The elements of Vatican II that SSPX rejects are well known, the four that Father Gleize's summarizes so well. He gives the exact location in the constitutions, and the sources of the teachings these new doctrines contradict. Their are doctrinal problems with Vatican II and it is these errors that the 'currents' responded to and ran with. Our Holy Father gloriously reigning is himself the author of the Church's acting policy on homosexuality (and sexual sin in general as well as a supporter of the rest (collegiality, religious liberty, and ecumenism).His only claim to tradition is his desire to co-opt the old mass into service for the errors of the Council, and this has confused a great many. Examine his actions. Then it will make more sense to you.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09700367486750703125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6845239886251312993.post-15050037101493827982012-04-14T11:27:38.763-07:002012-04-14T11:27:38.763-07:00The SSPX has a dilemma, given the age of the Pope....The SSPX has a dilemma, given the age of the Pope. Should a deal be struck, how would they fare if the next pope is of an entirely different cut to Benedict? <br />However, if there is no agreement while Benedict is in St. Peter's Chair, the chance may have been lost. The SSPX finds itself somewhat between a rock and a hard place. Our prayers are certainly needed.Gentyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05569143943867323153noreply@blogger.com